Antidote LifeLine : FoRide Design Group
Antidote LifeLine Prototype
Jan Putniorz sent us an email detailing a new bike, the Antidote LifeLine, that they’ve been working on out of Poland that looks impressive. See the details inside along with a video.
How long have you been working on the project?
- We spend over 16 months on this project (many hours that we don’t even want to think about it). Additionally, we’ve spent even more time on previous incarnations.
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What is your suspension system called and what did you want to achieve?
- FDS (floating damping system) suspension
- We wanted to achieve great sensitivity on small bumps to improve traction, even with an air shock. The shock is compressed from both sides to help increase the sensitivity. The leverage ratio at the beginning of the stroke is higher to overcame seal stiction.
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- Leverage ratios are designed to prevent mid-stroke wallowing, providing firm support during hard cornering. The suspension becomes progressive (rising-rate) from the sag point (at around 30%). It remains active, but still can handle big impacts without bottoming out.
- Create suspension action that is isolated from pedaling and braking forces.
What else have you done to refine the system?
- To achieve low weight and maximal stiffness, we made the links as short as possible. The lower link rotates around bottom bracket shell. This shaves a bit of weight, and adds stiffness (large diameter bearings in wide spacing). We have eliminated direct shock mounts in the front triangle which also reduces mass even further. It also allows as to make an almost classic, open front triangle with full seat tube (comes in handy on the uphills, or when you need to shoulder the bike).
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- We wanted to achieve low center of gravity – so the shock is placed as low as possible, and the swing arm is low-profile.
Can the shock be mounted with the dhx adjustments facing the other way?
- Currently it has to go in the orientation that you see in the pictures.
It looks like you have a custom chainguide, what can you say about it?
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- We designed our own integrated chainguide for this frame. It reduces unnecessary friction and drag by eliminating the lower roller completely. The guide is mounted on the lower link, so it’s always in proper orientation during suspension action. The prototype guide weighs around ~100g.
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What kind of specifications do you have on the frame right now?
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- travel 220mm
- shock length 241mm/240mm (depend from links)
- weight 3120 grams *(Medium frame without shock)
- BB 73mm
- 150mm rear end
- size S ; M and custom geometry available
- Frame will be built with titanium bolts and rear axle
- The frame is made from alloy 7020 and links from 7075
What kind of stock geometry are you offering in addition to the custom option?
- BB height - 350-358mm
- Chainstay length - 438mm (no change possible)
- Wheel base - Small 1140mm, Medium 1160 or custom
- Head angle - 64 65 66 (available even .5 angles)
- Seat tube length - 375mm
- Seat Tube angle - 62.5 (no change possible)
- We can work with customers if they need specific custom requirements.
Will you be making any other changes?
- The chainstay will be cnc’ed and there will be a few other refinements.
Who is responsible for this bike?
- George Dabrowski, founder and designer - Foride
- Paul Marczak, founder and engineer - Antidote
Do you have a price set yet on it?
- It’s about 2150 euro. During ordering, we offer custom geometry to user requirements / needs. The frame includes the integrated chain guide and a carbon fiber fender for rear shock.
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Where can someone looking for more information (or people looking to purchase)?
- Contact us - Foride. Later through www.antidotebikes.com and future partners. Visit foride.eu for more information.
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Very cool video! I especially like the “Terminator” style point of view with the superimposed text.
thats one hell of a bike, looks so lite yet really stiff, cnc’d parts on the frame looks crazy! I gotta get myself one haha!
This frame looks amazing… I think customers should look into getting a remote-reservoir damper for the design though.
Pretty impressive. Hope final product will be as good as designers say the proto is. However, 2150eur w/o shock is a lot of money for the product no one knows…
[...] Sicklines - Antidote [...]
can sicklines ask them how much their bikes build weights?
I love how everyone automatically assumes that every new suspension design is sick. I see so many things wrong with this desing I dont even know where to begin… For starters, good fuq’n luck trying to adjust your shock in any way.
Im must say that you are right about the tuning of the shock, that could be a bit of a problem.
However could you please elaborate on the other problems? I cannot see any others. If you just dont like the look of the bike then why not just say so?
Will I’m not sure if this is the build some1 told me about but 15.5kg with some pretty strong stuff was mentioned.
Buck Nutty: I’m curious, what are those wrong things that you see? Except for the shitty shock adjustment?
Buck, what is the name of your bike company again? Oh yeah, it doesn’t exist. stfu know it all
Hi, does anyone know Jan Putniorz’s e-mail is? I got something to ask him. Please PM me through dalsim_82@yahoo.com
just damned neat!
rastian - you can email him through the address in the post (it’s in the last sentence)
Very BAD video…
thats one hell of a bike, looks so lite yet really fun rid, cnc’d parts on the frame looks crazy! I gotta get myself one of those rides!
Looks like a crazy frame. The one standing on the snow looks beautiful. Nicely specced! Do you know when these will be available and a ballpark estimate on how much it will cost?
Contact Antidote and i’m sure they can answer all your questions!
Yeah, I did.
Out of Curiousity, what do you guys do with all those sick builds after you’re done for them. I’m always in the market for a better bike.